osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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Hi Guys
As you can see this is my first post and your probably thinking not another thread about Glow Plug Light, however bear with me.
Basically I bought my ST 2.2 tdci on a 54 reg and with 44k miles on the clock yesterday and while out driving today the power dips sharply while I was accelerating onto dual carriage way and the glow plug light starts flashing and no real power from the turbo.
Now I read about this while researching buying the car and know roughly what could be the problem but my problem comes from not being able to determine which is the problem i.e. egr valve, injectors etc.
So I pull over, turn the car off for 5 mins and start up again to get home. Now I start driving all seems fine again, I get up to 3rd about to change to 4th and it all happens again. However the dash is now also displaying the engine warning light as well. I get the car home, jump on the laptop and start searching for what the combination means. Now I cant find this combo anywhere and hence me posting a thread.
Something that I noticed earlier in the day was that when stopped at a junction there was smoke coming from under the bonnet (not loads, but surely not right) so I stopped the car looked under the bonnet and I can see a few wisps of smoke coming from the general EGR valve area, however i figure the dealer has used "Back to Black" on the engine cover and the heat was burning it off.
But a friend of mine said that it smelled rather \'dieselly\', so could one of the injectors possibly be leaking to cause these problems?
Also when I pulled up at home I open the bonnet and I could hear air escaping from the top left of the engine bay for about 30 secs after the engine was switched off, does anybody know what this is and is it related?
I was also wondering now that I have switched off the ignition, does that mean that diagnostics will not show up any fault codes?
If anybody has had to replace the egr valve, injectors or turbo could you please tell me how much it cost you as I have warranty on the car but it does not cover labour but it does cover all major parts and how long did it take to solve the problem?
I need the car to go to devon on Sunday so any / all help would be greatly appreciated
Sorry for such a long post but i\'m trying to provide as much info to find the right solution and with only buying the car yesterday and i\'m getting frustrated now
Thank you very much
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 GingerTom
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In response to osulcSTtdci
Firstly did you buy the car trade? If so then it\'s not your problem. Get the dealer to sort it although that doesn\'t help you with your Devon trip in 2 days !!
Otherwise my guess is the EGR as you are hearing and seeing stuff from the corner of the engine on the left as you look at it which is where the EGR is.
Best bet is take it off and have a look inside to see if it\'s all coked up.
The loss of power is limp home mode when a fault is detected.
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
Thank you for replying
I bought the car from a used car dealership who gave me a 3 month warranty with a third party company, so would they really take responsibility for it?
Does it take long to take off the valve and clean it up? How long would that solve it for?
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GingerTom
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In response to osulcSTtdci
OK don\'t touch it yourself. If you do you can invalidate the right to claim off the dealer.
Have a read of this.
http://www.stdrivers.co.uk/forum/showtopic.php?tid...
It is the dealers responsibility and you have a 6 month warranty by law. He cannot palm it off onto another company. He has to fix it and you must not contribute anything at all as the car was faulty when you bought it.
Get onto him first thing in the morning and explain that you have a trip to Devon and a faulty car. Don\'t take any fob offs!
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
wow that is really helpful thanks for putting that together
Do you think I should tell them I reckon I know what it is, or should I just tell him warning lights and loss of power?
I bought it from this place http://www.automatic-cars-kent.co.uk/index.htm
So it will all still apply to him yeah?
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
I would play dumb. Just tell him what happened. Loss of power - warning lights etc.
Say you have a big journey up ahead and no car. What is he going to do etc.
And yes it is his problem as he is the supplying dealer and your contract is with him.
Good luck. Let us know how you get on.
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
Thanks for your help
I will ring them first thing tomorrow and update as soon as sorted
One last question:
Is the car alright to drive to work, will it damage it more? Or should I find alternate transport?
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
If it IS the EGR then the car may run ok, it may go back into limp home mode or it may stop altogether. If it breaks down it could be in a dangerous place so bear that in mind. It won\'t damage the car as such but could cause danger on the road.
I don\'t know for sure what the fault is so obviously there is a possibility it\'s something more serious involving fuel.
The choice is yours but if you can find alternative transport I would leave it at home.
I am off to bed now so let us know what happens tomorrow ![""]("/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif")
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
Ok cool
Will update tomorrow how the dealer takes it
Thanks again
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peterex
Post Whore
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In response to osulcSTtdci
Well done Rich good sensible response.
Hope it\'s nothing more than the EGR valve, there\'s nothing worse when you have a long journey looming and a problem rears it\'s head.
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Decat
Part leather seats
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Refurbed 18 inch wheels
nothing done to change the
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Stealth is the word!
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
So the plot thickens...
Yesterday I decided to take it to a local garage where I have had work done on previous cars I have owned, so they could plug in to the diagnostics kit.
The fault code that registered was P0251, INJ Pump Fuel Metering Control "A"
The guy there reset the code because he said that where deisels use so much pressure there may have been a slight spike in the system to cause the light to come on and register fault.
So I take it for a run to see and all seems fine until i reach the dual carriage way and hit 3800 rpm in 3rd and back in to limp mode. All lights now back on i.e flashing glow plug light and engine warning light
So I call the dealer and he tells me that I need to book the car in the garage he use for all warranty problems sometime next week (a mere 40 miles away in Dartford with me at Gatwick. M25 Brrr)
However the warranty only covers parts not labour, so I asked him what the score was as I had only had it 26 hours when the fault occured. He told me he wouldnt discuss it until he had the diagnostics report back and I told him I wasn\'t prepared to pay anything and he said IT WAS MY FAULT!!
Can you believe it? He said I over reved the car. He said diesels only go to limp mode after being over reved and that it is very unusual for this model of car to have any faults at all
So the question I now ask is, if i take it to Ford can thier diagnostics equipment go deeper and check the history of faults registered, and can they give me a print out to prove that I did not over rev the car (as riduculous as that is anyway) so that atleast I have something up my sleeve with some real welly behind it if they try to do me over
Thanks for the advice guys, tell me your thoughts
Edited by osulcSTtdci on 31-07-10 09:32 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
Listen mate you need to get hold of the situation right away.
He is testing you to see how you will react. If you are weak he will walk all over you. He thinks you don\'t know the law but you do because you read that other post of mine.
If he says take it to that garage then do that because you have to give him a chance to fix it. If he doesn\'t or can\'t fix it you then send a recorded delivery letter to him stating that he must either fix the car or refund your money in full (reject the car). Give him 10 days to reply.
If he refuses to do either then you see trading standards and take out a court action against him for recovery of your loss.
His excuse that it was your fault is bullshit because the law says that within 6 months of purchase he has to prove any faults are caused by you and in this case he won\'t be able to.
The fault was pre-existing. The engine has a rev limiter for that very reason......
He is trying to shirk his responsibilities and he knows it and hopes you will roll over and take it.
Follow my advice above. Don\'t mess about with him taking it to other garages for second opinions and all that. Get tough or you will be screwed.
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
Yeah after I spoke to him he said he would ring the garage to say I was gonna ring them, so I left it 5 mins and I tried to ring to get it booked in but I couldnt get through at all, just kept ringing.
My biggest worry is that the guy who owns the dealership where I bought it is in cahoots with the garage thats gonna repair it and that they will falsify evidence to show that it was my fault.
The reason I ask about Ford is because if they can show that the same errors have been logged before then it prooves the fault was already existing, therefore he cant blame me in anyway shape or form.
I have cancelled the Devon trip so that I can get the car up there when I\'m off from Monday. He wasn\'t interested that I had a trip planned, he turned around and said "well you ain\'t going then are you"
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
What a nice bloke he sounds.
Luckily you posted us the link to the garage so we all know who they are.......
It\'s not up to you to prove who it was caused by. The law is very clear on this. You bought a faulty car and it will be impossible for him to prove it was caused by you just through a warning light. The responsibility is totally his and he is trying to get out of it because it will cost him money. That\'s his problem and a peril of being in the motor trade.
You have to stick to your guns here and don\'t get bullied around. He must fix it free of charge or refund the money.
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
I totally get what your saying about him being responsible and I can tell your a well respected member on this forum so I trust what your saying but I can\'t help but feel that he will do all he can to gety out of it so it would be nice to have some kind of back up or garentee to take with me you know
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
I understand what you mean because this sort of thing is not nice but always remember that you have the law on your side.
I would go along with what he suggests and take the car to that garage. If you don\'t you could fail in your action.
If it gets repaired then great. If it doesn\'t then you have to give him another chance and if he refuses then you reject the car and request a refund.
Like I said earlier put this in writing. Keep all records and a diary of events.
If you can see he is refusing to co-operate then get in touch with trading standards or your solicitor. They will then take action. You may have to put in a claims court action against him to pursue it to the next stage.
But take it in stages. Give him the chance to see the car and repair it. If that doesn\'t work out then write to the MD of the garage giving them your ultimatum.
sadly, no-one can give you guarantees. In cases like this you have to go through the usual procedures but you have the full weight of the law on your side so a good result depends on your willpower to see it through.
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
I have started the diary already, I\'ll get the car there early as possible next week and see what they say.
Its just I\'m a proactive person and want to have it done and be 1 step ahead.
If he does manage to say that it is my fault can I tell him I\'m gonna get a second opinion?
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
No need. He can say what he likes. He can\'t prove it and any court action will side with you because the evidence will show that the fault must have pre-existed the sale.
Even if did manifest itself after the sale you still have full warranty which the dealer must honour by law. There is nothing he can do (unless you had taken the car onto the race track and got through the brakes and tyres etc) to wriggle out of it no matter how much he protests.
Like I said you give him a chance to fix it. He either does or he doesn\'t. If he doesn\'t then you reject the car. If he refuses that then you start legal proceedings.
The buyer is fully protected against crooked cowboys like this (unless they go bust of course).
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osulcSTtdci
Learner STdriver
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In response to GingerTom
So I have dropped the car off at automech s.e. ltd in abbey wood for the dealer to investigate the problem this morning.
I have been told by the guy there that he suspects a problem with the fuel supply and will investigate the problem further. He thinks fuel pump.
So he will ring me, latest, tomorrow mid-morning with the verdict.
I was wondering if anybody knew how much this job would cost so I could have an idea as to whether it is worth it to him to wear the cost or whether he will give me more hassle by trying to make me pay for the labour.
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to osulcSTtdci
Why are you worrying about it? He can\'t make you pay anything. Seriously. He is doing what he has to do by law. You will get the car backed fixed free of charge or it won\'t be fixed in which case you tell him (not ask him) that it either gets fixed or he refunds you.
He has the problem of sorting it out not you.
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