 cmmd11483
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Car is \'07 plate, bought Dec \'07 with 12500 motorway miles on it. Now at 25, 000 miles.
From day 1 when started from cold the idle would be erratic and lumpy, but it never stalled or didn\'t start. Once I drove off it would be fine and after a few mins the idle would be perfect again. Always had good mpg, minimal smoke, great pull and the car was very quite when warm. But eventually it was starting to get quite annoying when the car sounded so ill everytime it started up cold, so i took it in to my local fords.
The first few mornings they had it by the time they had got it in to the garage and hooked up the computer the fault had stopped. So they left it for the weekend and then took the IDS out to the car. The diagnosis was a familiar all 4 injectors needing replaced. I was very surprised as the car was great after a few mins. Anyway got the car back yesterday and they were right, the idle is now perfect, the car is a little quieter when started cold and dare I say it feels even more torquey.
All done under warranty so no expense to myself, thank fook.
Just a heads up if anyone else is suffering the same fault and still in warranty. If out of warranty I would probably have lived with it rather than fork out £1000 to get them replaced.
Cheers
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Lornce
Lornce
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In response to cmmd11483
i have exactly the same problem, but my warranty has ran out on my car. When you say live with it, will it cause long term damage?
2005 Mondeo TDCI
Bluefin\'d
JP Exhaust & Decat
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cmmd11483
stranger
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In response to Lornce
I don\'t think so, I ran the car like this for 13 months and it certainly wasn\'t detrimental to the cars performance. There were no fault codes stored in the cars ecu which is why it took them a few days to diagnose the problem. I think the fuel pattern is distrupted only for a short while when the injectors are cold and this disappears when they warm up. I\'m not a mechanic but so I wouldn\'t take my word as gospel.
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JazzyGeoff
Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!
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In response to cmmd11483
Mine does the same (and has done for a while) it certainly doesn\'t look or smell good first thing in a morning. I am taking mine to Ford to be looked at when I can get it booked in. I will let you know the outcome as/when it\'s been looked at.
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Lornce
Lornce
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In response to JazzyGeoff
i have just rang ford now for a quote on replacing the injectors and its £740!! Or if you know how to fit the injectors yourself, you can buy them for £177 each and when you return your old ones (because they refurbish them) you will be refunded £40 each. might just have to put up with it and hope it doesnt damage the engine.
2005 Mondeo TDCI
Bluefin\'d
JP Exhaust & Decat
Mintex Front Pads & Discs |
Edited by Lornce on 29-01-09 02:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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caigey
Getting better
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In response to cmmd11483
hi cmmd what garge did you take it to was it Coatbridge Evans Halshaw? My car is doing the same i took it into Evans at Motherwell and they said there was no fault but its the exact same problem as yours only it cold mornings and only for a few seconds.
Cheers
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cmmd11483
stranger
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In response to caigey
Yep Evans Halshaw Coatbridge caigey.
Lornce its not just as simple as replacing them, they have to be individually calibrated to your ecu. A job for a dealer or decent garage me thinks.
If anything is seriously up with the injectors the ecu brings up fault codes and may even bring on the engine management light.
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caigey
Getting better
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In response to cmmd11483
Might take my car to them to see what they can find. My only concern now is they might blame it on the decat and exhaust .
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cmmd11483
stranger
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In response to caigey
You should be ok hopefully.
My ST TDCi is completely standard but I took my old Focus ST there for warranty work and the didn\'t even mention the proalloy intercooler or K& N CAIS, though it was for a new steering pump.
Worth a try anyway.
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Lornce
Lornce
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In response to cmmd11483
Yep Evans Halshaw Coatbridge caigey.
Lornce its not just as simple as replacing them, they have to be individually calibrated to your ecu. A job for a dealer or decent garage me thinks.
If anything is seriously up with the injectors the ecu brings up fault codes and may even bring on the engine management light.
yeah i think your right, - if the injectors were seriously out of tune to make the engine miss a beat then the engine management light would come on and the fault code would be stored. Its just a little annoying sometimes!
2005 Mondeo TDCI
Bluefin\'d
JP Exhaust & Decat
Mintex Front Pads & Discs |
Edited by Lornce on 29-01-09 06:01 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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frenchieg
Just passed!
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In response to Lornce
mine does this only for a few seconds and then idle is ok. It doesn\'t do it all the time on 1st start up. I\'ve narrowed it down to doing it when i drive the car either long or short distance, park up, leave the car and then come back to it and start it. If i use the car and then leave it for a long time, like say overnight, then try and start it, it mormally starts fine, even on cold mornings!
Millers has seemed to help it a bit, definately helps with the lumpy 1500-2000rev problem some people on her get.
Give it a try and see if it helps with the cold starts. Only about a tenner.
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cmmd11483
stranger
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In response to frenchieg
Yep I use millers all the time too, it\'s great.
Edited by cmmd11483 on 30-01-09 09:49 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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little umpa
Trundling along
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In response to cmmd11483
just had mine done in november and a leek test was done on the injectors to see which were knackered 3 were but all 4 replaced just incase, car was suffering the same starting symptoms
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JazzyGeoff
Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!
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In response to little umpa
Well mine went in to Fords in Somercotes today and they did the leak test and checked for error codes but found nothing and the leak test was ok. Got in the car to drive home and it was so lumpy the whole car was shaking - got the bloke to sit with me for a min and he said it was rough - went to speak to manager and he just said that nothing found on the tests so can\'t do anything!!!
Is it worth getting someone else to check the injectors? Seems strange mine is doing the same as the above but they can\'t find a problem!
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 GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to JazzyGeoff
On these cold mornings I always get a few seconds of it being all over the place but it very quickly settles down and then runs perfectly.
I just hope it is temperature related (maybe compression ignition doesn\'t work so well on cold diesel?) and nothing else.
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Motorman116
Motorman116
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In response to GingerTom
I would maybe try some injection cleaner, could be a mucky injector
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JazzyGeoff
Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!
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In response to Motorman116
Cheers for the suggestions, I have tried injector cleaner (two consecutive tank full\'s) and it was doing it before the cold set in so I think it a bit more serious than that but not serious enough to show up any faults, very frustrating!
It\'ll be one of those that is ok till warranty runs out then BANG that\'ll be a grand please!
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little umpa
Trundling along
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In response to JazzyGeoff
did the mechanic phone ford technical ?, reason being is its deffo got a fault and the mec has sat in with you and experienced it, so should they not be phoning someone higher up on the knowledge side to come up with a idea of what to look for next ?, this is what ford done with my car when it had a fault and they hadnt a clue what to do next, you could leave it there overnight to let them see first hand whats going on
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JazzyGeoff
Pain is temporary, Pride is forever!
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In response to little umpa
He didn\'t phone Ford but he did offer to leave it with them again (already left it over night so they could check it on first start up) but said it would be another £80 (out of warranty) so I told them not to bother.
I have just read up on cleaning the MAF sensor and adding a MAFAM on tuning-diesel.com so may try these (if they fit the Mondeo) to see if that helps. I must admit that I would expect a fault if it was an injector playing up but 99% of the time that\'s what it is and it gets sorted straight away.
It\'s either a phantom dodgy injector or something totally different. Why is nothing ever simple!
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GingerTom
No dogs allowed !
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In response to JazzyGeoff
Geoff have you thought of the old EGR? They certainly make the engine very lumpy but it may not have brought up a fault code yet. Don\'t know if you fancy having a look inside it or getting the garage to to see if it\'s dirty?
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